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Kursyvu pateiktos cituojamos pastraipos.

Zhenya_Zima
Not really, and terrible game marred by the conditions. 10 Russians vs. one Australian’s boot (and he was by far the best Portuguese player, he’ll make a big difference to Os Lobos).

Portugal had zero penetration, not surprising given the conditions, but Gardener’s boot was worth 10+ metres everytime the game resorted to ping pong. I’m not sure Portugal ran the ball even once?

Kulemin gave a comprehensive lesson in lineout play to the Portuguese. Totally dismantled ball on their throw and completely negated any territorial gains by Gardener.

Two possible arguments for penalty tries for Russia’s dominant scrum. Scoreline not really reflective of the game, but getting 24 points and two tries on that pitch in that weather is quite an achievement!

mestre

Zhenya_Zima wrote:
Not really, and terrible game marred by the conditions. 10 Russians vs. one Australian’s boot (and he was by far the best Portuguese player, he’ll make a big difference to Os Lobos).

Two possible arguments for penalty tries for Russia’s dominant scrum. Scoreline not really reflective of the game, but getting 24 points and two tries on that pitch in that weather is quite an achievement!

It is always nice to have independent opinions…

Maybe you can explain independently why the russian consulate in Lisbon had to be strongly approached by a portuguese governement official to release the visa to two portuguese citizens – Gardener and Conrad.

Why don’t you explain, with an independent comment, why was the portuguese team taken to a different hotel, on arrival, and only some hours after conducted to the right hotel.

Maybe you have an independent opinion to explain why two soccer games were played at the Slava Metreveli, the day before one of the most important games of the championship completely destroying the grass and turning it in a see of mud.

Maybe you can explain without motherland feelings why was the game allowed to be played at a pitch where “lines was invisible”, according to the referees own words.

Speaking of the game, why don’t you explain with an independent assessment why the 10 russian players did spend all the time kicking the ball to the australian boot, and simply did not cross over the line to score many, many tries.

Well the championship is not over yet and I am sure that next time the tipping board will reflect better the real value of the teams…

mestre

4N wrote:
cris wrote:
thanks, i just wanted to make sure. Romania had this ideea but we droped it and now Rusia and Portugal have foreign players

To be fair to Russia, I believe Maglakelidze, capped before the other Georgians recently, was their first foreign-born player since the South Africans that caused controversy back in 2003.

Your informations are not correct.
All the said French players are portuguese men living and working in France.
And I have no idea where you did find that argentinian connection. Cristian is portuguese and you can confirm that at:http://www.colomiers-rugby.com/main.php?act=page&s=effectif

You should know that Paris is the second more populated portuguese town, after Lisbon, as a consequence of many years of imigration.
The majority of those families, despite well integrated in France, never gave up their strong portuguese feelings, keeping the portuguese nationality,and their houses in Portugal where they usually go for summer hollydays.

And was the portuguese union not amateur, and it would not be difficult to put together a portuguese players club team playing in the french ProD2.

For your information the 2010 portuguese union global budget is below 2,5 million euros.
Very far away from a french third tier club…

Anyway this is an academichal discussion as all the portuguese players are elegible to play for Portugal, as they all have the portuguese nationality, for birth or option. Which in fact is quite a different situation from that in Russia in the past, if I remember well.

What I don’t understand is the russian difficulty to beat Portugal or Romenia, and their inhability to beat Georgia at home.

I understand the russian relief and hapiness for beating Portugal yesterday, but I advise my russian friends to find the reason of such difficulties in their own team, instead of trying to find them on an australian boot, or an argentinian or french invasion of the portuguese team.

Zhenya_Zima

mestre wrote:
Maybe you can explain independently why the russian consulate in Lisbon had to be strongly approached by a portuguese governement official to release the visa to two portuguese citizens – Gardener and Conrad.

No, I can’t, though as a non-rugby matter, it does not concern me. However, as Portugal was one of the countries attempting to block the France 2008 EU presidency’s bid to ease sporting and cultural visa restrictions on Russians travelling to the European Union, and given the way Russian diplomacy is often effected, it was probably consular policy to finger flick.

mestre wrote:
Why don’t you explain, with an independent comment, why was the portuguese team taken to a different hotel, on arrival, and only some hours after conducted to the right hotel.

Maybe you have an independent opinion to explain why two soccer games were played at the Slava Metreveli, the day before one of the most important games of the championship completely destroying the grass and turning it in a see of mud. Maybe you can explain without motherland feelings why was the game allowed to be played at a pitch where “lines was invisible”, according to the referees own words.

Only this week when I interviewed an FPR official he was still crying about Russia’s wont to play games in Krasnoyarsk. Would there, where temperatures dropped below -40C on Saturday, have been a better alternative than a fully-booked up ski resort by the Black Sea? As FIRA seems insistent to have this year’s championship as a 6N mirror, where in Russia do you suggest they play in February? Maybe they could just move the game to Lisbon? Or simply forfeit and give Portugal the win for the great affront of not having a Mediterranean climate – that being the traditional weather in which rugby is played?

As for the state of the pitch, if that game had been televised in the UK, you would have been able to go onto any English rugby forum this morning and been able to read 100 comments on how it was a proper rugby surface. Not all games can be played on billiard tables – indeed – did you watch Bath vs. Stade Français in the Heineken Cup last month, or any Sale game ever? Some of the recent 6N games at Murrayfield? It’s not unusual at all and to be honest the shit pitch was probably more detrimental to Russia’s gameplan, which relies on finding space and freeing runners, than to Portugal’s kick, kick, kick, fumble strategy. Having a firm surface hardly benefited Portugal in that dire Namibia match, did it?

For what it’s worth, if that pitch is in the same state in three weeks when they play Romania, Russia will be absolutely dicked on it.

mestre wrote:
Speaking of the game, why don’t you explain with an independent assessment why the 10 russian players did spend all the time kicking the ball to the australian boot, and simply did not cross over the line to score many, many tries.

Ok, as, for all this forum’s strengths, talking about actual rugby seems frowned upon, let’s do it:

Russia’s (notoriously bad) kicking game to Gardener was a poor tactic, and it took them about 20 minutes to figure this out, after which they spent much more time keeping the ball tight and running it. As Gardner left the pitch in a pristine white shirt, it was clear he would never run it back, so Russia could adopt accordingly – once they did so, with their forwards strangling the Portuguese out of the game, they never looked like losing. Gardner seemed to realise this a bit too late, but once he did start to pick open-field spots to kick to, Russia could still kick it to him with near impunity – where was Portugal’s kick chase? Near non-existent – had there been one, things would have been very different.

The game was a victory for coaching – something which hasn’t ever been a Russian strong point. Here, you would have to ask questions of Morais, when, after about 20 minutes it became clear the Kulemin had cracked the Portuguese line out code and could take ball on either throw at will – he should have instructed Gardener to kick infield more when he was switching to stand at first receiver, or for his forwards to front up. Why did he stick with a game plan reliant on set piece possession, when Portugal could not guarantee this on either their own line out or scrum, let alone Russia’s?

It’s rare to see a 4 jumper dominate the line out in the way Kulemin did. The only two clear examples I can think of this are when Matfield jumps there for the Blue Bulls or South Africa, or when Juandre Kruger jumps there for Northampton in the HEC, where they seem to like Lawes jumping at 2. Now, both of these players are products of the world’s best line-out factory in Pretoria. Where did Russia spend a few weeks recently? A case of coaching and exposure to the foreign paying dividends? Well, blow me! You’d also have to say that Stickling was an absolute disappointment, in the air especially, and not least because starting him meant no Goncalo – who Portugal always look less cohesive without, and who I assume in the principal line out caller? Conrad was slow, and seemed to have no power behind his loosehead, who split when he wasn’t dropping, failing to bind, or simply blowing out of his backside.

On top of this, it didn’t help Os Lobos that Kulemin thoroughly had his tighthead locked in and the drive coming through the right channel of the scrum was absolutely hammering poor Fernandes. Maglakelidze, the only Georgian out of the four mentioned in this thread in the squad, also had the Argentine Murre on toast. As he tired late on, Khrokin gave him a technical masterclass in scrummaging for good measure – he was going down more than a Russian provincial girl in a hotel where foreign sportsmen stay – it was almost reminiscent of the old Sheridan vs. Baxter confrontations. You can see Diamond’s work here – Russia’s front row may still be miles from competing with Georgia and Romania, but there has been noticeable forward progress in this facet of Russia’s game – can you honestly say that about Portugal? On a pitch like that – the front row matters – Portugal’s offered about as much resistance as a dead hedgehog in a paper bag and there is a reason the Russian 22 contained four props (and a hooker who can prop). There probably would have been a penalty try near the end, if it had mattered, with argument possible for one late in the first half, too – not saying I’d have given it if reffing, but just to illustrate the dominance.

Other contributory factors were Gresev’s (predictable) go forward, and Ostrikov’s work in countering Uva’s (very impressive) groundwork. Given the way the breakdown is currently enforced, your 13 ideally needs to be a sort of converted flanker to jackal the ball, Babaev was excellent at this, and in doing so became the only outside back of any use in the entire game.

mestre wrote:
Well the championship is not over yet and I am sure that next time the tipping board will reflect better the real value of the teams…

Of course, with your penchant for conspiracy theories and off-field factors being more important than actual rugby in determining a result, may Portugal and Georgia could “engineer” another beneficial result for both teams in Lisbon next week – as I heard rumours had happened last year. Naturally, I think that’s as ridiculous as your claims above, but just thought I’d make you aware that other people can see things differently, as you seem not to be capable of understanding this.

mestre wrote:
Your informations are not correct.
All the said French players are portuguese men living and working in France.

And I have no idea where you did find that argentinian connection. Cristian is portuguese and you can confirm that at:http://www.colomiers-rugby.com/main.php?act=page&s=effectif

That is the same as Matt Stevens, Mike Catt, Lesley Vanikolo, and Shontane Hape putting English as their nationality on their club pages. It means very little, in fact nothing. Spachuk was born in Argentina. He qualifies for Portugal under the IRB’s rules of either parentage or residency. We all know the current qualification criteria are flawed at the very best (cf. Maglakelidze, Gardner, Yachvili the Poorer, Hape, half the Italian team, Howarth, the list could go on for ever and every country has them), but while they exist unions are available to oblige themselves of them. I think this is a discussion for elsewhere.

mestre wrote:
You should know that Paris is the second more populated portuguese town, after Lisbon, as a consequence of many years of imigration. The majority of those families, despite well integrated in France, never gave up their strong portuguese feelings, keeping the portuguese nationality,and their houses in Portugal where they usually go for summer hollydays.

If having a holiday home somewhere is a qualification criteria, half of England is qualified to play for Spain and Portugal will once more be the second best team of two in Iberia!

mestre wrote:
Anyway this is an academichal discussion as all the portuguese players are elegible to play for Portugal, as they all have the portuguese nationality, for birth or option. Which in fact is quite a different situation from that in Russia in the past, if I remember well.

Citizenship is not a qualification for representative rugby, thankfully. Otherwise we’d have a situation like in Middle East football where governments give out free passports to Brazilians like VD centres give out free condoms. For example, Jon Leslie played for Scotland because of a grandfather, yet he needed a visa to go there.

mestre wrote:
What I don’t understand is the russian difficulty to beat Portugal or Romenia, and their inhability to beat Georgia at home.

Again, you are absolutely right and I bow to your infinitesimal knowledge. Russia have terrible records against Romania and Portugal in the European Nations Cup in recent years.

Romania have not beaten Russia in the ENC for five years.

Last results of Russia vs. Romania (home team first)
FEB 2009: Romania 19 – 28 Russia
MAR 2008: Russia 12 – 8 Romania
NOV 2007: Romania 12 – 22 Russia
JUN 2006: Russia 25 – 24 Romania
FEB 2005: Romania 33 – 10 Russia

Portugal have not beaten Russia in the ENC for five years.

Last results of Russia vs. Portugal (home team first)
FEB 2010: Russia 14 – 10 Portugal
FEB 2009: Portugal 14 – 18 Russia
MAR 2008: Russia 41 – 26 Portugal
MAY 2007: Portugal 13 – 21 Russia
FEB 2006: Portugal 19 – 19 Russia
JUN 2005: Russia 16 – 18 Portugal

Russia haven’t beaten Georgia since 1993 home or away. They’re getting closer, and this will change soon – this year? Near certainly not, but the gap is closing and while Georgia still have the advantage, they do not have the money nor the backing going into Russian rugby on the back of Olympic inclusion.

mestre wrote:
I understand the russian relief and hapiness for beating Portugal yesterday, but I advise my russian friends to find the reason of such difficulties in their own team, instead of trying to find them on an australian boot, or an argentinian or french invasion of the portuguese team.

Russia are in essence a limited but ambitious team, who do not as yet have the means to quite pull off the game they try to play. Despite the dominance of their front row over a very poor Portuguese unit on Saturday, propping is a key concern. Diamond is addressing this, but it doesn’t happen overnight. Russia’s pack also relies way too heavily on Top 14 player Kulemin and on Gresev, who every game stands out as way too talented for this level – shame he failed to become the first Russian player in the Guinness Premiership this season, maybe next year he will be. Although Kushnarev is developing into a competent 10, he is still the only genuine fly-half in Russia – without him their backs, most of whom have real pace, are pretty redundant. Talking of the pace in the backs, Artemiev has finally brought some intelligence to the wing positions, who for years thought speed was enough on its own.

I would suggest that your major gripe about this result is you know that Portugal are a fading team falling away from the height of their powers (2006), whereas Russia, Georgia, and Romania are all teams who could become much better.

As for the foreign contingents. Russia fielded one ethnic Georgian in their 22. Technically, he was born in the same country as the rest of the Russian squad. Portugal fielded two Argentine-born players (Murre, Severino), one South African (Stickling), one Australian (Gardener), two French (Penalva, da Costa) – meaning over 27% of their team was non-Portuguese by birth. As I said earlier, while it’s an option available to them – fair play, but when Yenesei-STM starts hiring French and Fijian-born players who end up playing for the Bears, don’t cry, ok?

mestre wrote:
It is always nice to have independent opinions…

Thank you, as a non-Russian independent journalist it’s always nice to know my comment is valued and that people are open to hearing viewpoints which do not coincide with their own pre-formed opinions.

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Treniruotės pobūdžio turnyrą sugebėjo paskelbti delfi, normaliai čia.

Ar teisingai supratau, kad Wilkinson varžybose ITA – ENG praspyrė pirmą baudą nuo 2003 metų??? :-O